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fm12




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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 04, 2009 3:16 pm

[quote="carl hibbs"]Well done Laurent... cheers

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So I ordered 75 kilos of Sable de Loire at 14.75€ per 25kg sac.
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Ouch @ 14.75 per 25kgs
Carl I take it you don`t originate from Yorkshire then lol!
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mikeyh

mikeyh

Location : Dordogne France

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 04, 2009 3:28 pm

Mmm.. must admit , I am paying 40 euros a ton for 3mm sharp gravel. It helps that my singing partener owns the business!!!

Mikey
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Carl Hibbs
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Carl Hibbs

Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 04, 2009 4:49 pm

Don't forget that this is Paris and Parisien prices.

This is also Sable de Loire which is dearer that 'normal' gravel.

Yes 14.75€ is a tad expensive compared to what I could get it at a quarry for which I was quoted at 120€ + TVA for 1.5m3.

The fact is I don't need a large tonnage, I have nowhere to store that amount and I would have to pay for transport (from the Sarthe) if I did.

There are no quarries around here that I have yet found that will let you have small quantities.

Most of the local landscape is on Gypsum, not much hard rock.

So I am more pleased at the local availability rather than the price.

And, no I don't come from Yorkshire but I know people who do. Laughing
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Bearcastle

Bearcastle

Location : Brie

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 04, 2009 5:46 pm

Hi,

I will keep that adress for the day i will built some tracks. Very Happy

Laurent

Ps : Not decided yet if we sale the house or keep it. And Chelles might be on the new automatic subway arround Paris so we will see no hurry.
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Carl Hibbs
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Carl Hibbs

Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 04, 2009 6:30 pm

Don't sell the that house Laurent. It has the perfect garden for a railway plus you have a building for a workshop too.

I will help you build the railway.....But don't tell Mirranda. Wink
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GWhizz

GWhizz

Location : Charente, France

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 04, 2009 8:04 pm

@mikeyh wrote:
Mmm.. must admit , I am paying 40 euros a ton for 3mm sharp gravel. It helps that my singing partener owns the business!!!

Mikey

Might want to talk to you about that Friday!
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fm12

fm12

Location : 87210 Haute Vienne, France

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 04, 2009 8:22 pm

@GWhizz wrote:
@mikeyh wrote:
Mmm.. must admit , I am paying 40 euros a ton for 3mm sharp gravel. It helps that my singing partener owns the business!!!

Mikey

Might want to talk to you about that Friday!





Me too
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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 04, 2009 8:26 pm

Don't forget meeeeee Very Happy
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French Chuffed



Location : Droitwich UK

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 18, 2009 7:30 pm

I am keeping quiet on this subject
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Carl Hibbs
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Carl Hibbs

Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 18, 2009 8:07 pm

Why is that? Smile


I've got mine now but can't get out in the garden to anything with it.
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French Chuffed



Location : Droitwich UK

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon May 18, 2009 10:37 pm

my 1,000kg cost me 19.50€ thats why! Embarassed
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Carl Hibbs
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Carl Hibbs

Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyTue May 19, 2009 6:56 am

So you bought 1 tonne for what I paid for about 50kg in the end. What a Face

That's the difference between urban living and country living!
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Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyThu May 21, 2009 7:41 pm

Well as it was quite nice today and no students to worry about (yet another French public holiday).

A short section of trackrelaying and ballasting. Ballast is sable de Loire 3-4mm.
Track bed is 25mm treated exterior decking on wooden posts about 4 years old now.

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Just need a visit from the TSO tamping machine now. Smile
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Bearcastle

Bearcastle

Location : Brie

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyFri May 22, 2009 5:03 pm

Look really good.

Did you remove some old ballast ?
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French Chuffed



Location : Droitwich UK

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyFri May 22, 2009 5:30 pm

Looking good carl, I wont post any pic's of my weeds. but at least got around to removing some today.
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Carl Hibbs
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Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyFri May 22, 2009 6:16 pm

We would like to see some of your weeds.

Some weeds can be a good thing on and around a railway. I even prune a few of mine...yes I know it's sad.

A bit more ballasting today after work and on account of Monsieur France Meteo le menteur...he lied and said it would rain today.

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I only usually remove old ballast if it is loose and not solid. After settling and tamping I glue it down with diluted PVA glue.

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CFG track tamper.... Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyFri Jul 24, 2009 5:43 pm

I had a bit of luck today and have found a source of ballast locally,that should avoid a lengthy trip to Brittany for more supplies, thanks Peter for getting me started.
I had a search on Google Earth made a list then started to visit quarries. I came up trumps quite quickly and have found a source of 2-3mm sharp granite gravel. It is called DECLASSE and cost 18.66 Europounds for half a tonne.
I will probably be putting 400Kg on ebay real soon.
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GWhizz

GWhizz

Location : Charente, France

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyFri Jul 24, 2009 6:04 pm

At that price Geoff, don't put it on Ebay. I'll be up with a trailer toute suite !

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Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyFri Jul 24, 2009 8:05 pm

Strangely I was at a quarry/mine this afternoon teaching English.

The problem around here is that are no stone quarries. It's all gypsum (and clay) for plaster (of Paris of course).

I managed a few pictures whilst 40+ metres underground helping my guides at Lafarge practise their English for touring visitors.

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Bearcastle

Bearcastle

Location : Brie

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptySat Jul 25, 2009 12:38 pm

I must agee it look's like real ballast. When i will do my track i will remember it.
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Bearcastle

Bearcastle

Location : Brie

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyMon Jan 20, 2014 8:18 pm

Update on some links :

ROY Carriere

DCL Impex

Gravier filtration piscine  Better to have a look first, might be a valuable source of ballast

The last link help to make calculation about the quantities you might need, you have to adapt the height versus the surface (might be handy) :

Quantities Maths:
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Saint-Oblas

Saint-Oblas

Location : Lyon, France

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 22, 2014 6:00 am

Carl, your track looks fantastic! What is it made of? It looks like a genuine track. Is it brass with a special surface treatment?
I wonder why brass is so popular though very expensive. Why don't they make track of stainless? May be because brass is a much better electrical conductor, but with the rail sections and intensities passing through, I would not think it would be a problem with stainless; and garden tracks are not hundreds of miles long!
Commercial G track is also terribly expensive. A garden railway should cost a fortune!
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GWhizz

GWhizz

Location : Charente, France

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 22, 2014 7:28 am

@Saint-Oblas wrote:
Why don't they make track of stainless?

LGB and I think Trainline both offer Track in stainless steel as an option.

I have two sets of "aguillage" (points/turnouts) in stainless, they never need cleaning unlike the brass track.

The electric conductivity is lower, but over a short distance not a problem. However if you run a copper wire loop around your track (forming a ring main) in 2.5mm copper as I do, and tap into it every 5 metres or so the conductivity is not a problem (it also helps any poor joints in brass track!).

I can't comment on price differential as I purchased these track pieces secondhand from German Ebay!

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Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 22, 2014 6:19 pm

@Saint-Oblas wrote:
What is it made of? It looks like a genuine track. Is it brass with a special surface treatment?

Unfortunately the railway you were looking is no longer in existance. Sad 
That was in Seine et Marne and I am now in glorious rain drenched Normandy and only have a relatively small oval circuit.
However the track is the same which is not brass but nickel-silver (maillechort). This is from Peco and ready assembled using code 250 (6.25mm high) rail.
There are other makes including Sunset Valley available from Atelier Vaporiste in France.

Nickel-silver wears very well giving a nice colour yet still remains conductive. The ballast was sable de Loire by the way.
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Saint-Oblas

Location : Lyon, France

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PostSubject: Re: Ballast   Ballast - Page 2 EmptyWed Jan 22, 2014 6:35 pm

Just too bad! You will think I am crazy planning to buid a diesel model as I have no longer a garden! But it is more for the fun of design that the pleasure to operate. Anyhow I love beautiful circuits.
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