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PostSubject: Re: Tramway in the garden. The 2nd coming.   Tramway in the garden. The 2nd coming. - Page 2 EmptySat Nov 07, 2009 6:33 pm

Sorry - I had skimmed the article but it was the pictures that grabbed my attention. You didn't answer the question about the sleepers, ballast and rail...........
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KleineDicke

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Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

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Gasoline engines are pretty cheap over here. For example, I can buy a new Chinese-built horizontal shaft 6.5 HP engine for less than $100. It is a licensed copy of a Honda GX series engine. They run smoothly and quietly. Are they available in France? Might be cheaper than electric--and you could have an automotrice!

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Troy.... When you go and visit you will need to ask questions for 3 of us.

Reading again that article he has carefully considered the safety implications too.

A bogie vehicle is certain for me too and I think easier to build and run.

So a H1 or Feltham then....

....Or as in Belgium there were a number of petrol powered tramcars like the TTA
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If you have a look at the stock on the Driving Creek Railway, the interesting one is the Possum. A single railcar across two bogies, with diesel hydraulic transmission. All the railcars used on this extraordinary railway were "home-brew" design and build. Amazingly it all works very well. I was so interested in the way this railway had done things (including getting past the inspectorate!) that I took a load of pictures. Now if I could work out how to post them, I'd let you into the fascination......
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posting guide sent by e mail.

I ve just been looking around and there are many places dealing in spares and parts for electric carts, buggies etc...

I still think a challenge would be real overhead electric.
The problem of course is at 12v dc it would a very a high current supply would be needed, almost welding current.

If however it was supplied at a higher voltage say 60v dc this would need only to be a fifth of the current and could be stepped down and controlled on board.

Or....what about ac transmission. 16vac rectifies down to 12v if I remember. Would that be feasible?
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Depends on the motor.We need a scrapyard for all of those bloody mobility scooters that now rule the pavements.
Hang on.A great idea.Mobility scooter kidknap.Strip down.Use motor and batteries.Use old person for conductor... Laughing
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I think overhead catenery a wire too far. I'd just keep walking into it.
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Paul Stainz Holt

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I did simple catenary, but left the wires alone........

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Sparkeswood

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I think you've missed the point Paul Laughing
We're after a bit of this that we can sit in and have races.. Very Happy

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Troy and others, the original article is in a rather out of the way location and is in danger of being lost forever. Would it be possible to carry out a transplant ? I know it's not exactly the flavour of things continental as such but it's a damn good topic of discussion at the mo' . Lets save it for posterity and stick it on here as a pinned post, and invite Mr Davies to join us of course. Maybe he can build a 7 1/4 Soller, quicker than my 1/24th one.

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When I get time later I will separate and tidy up this/these topics.

I did edit the title as an interim.

If not overhead catenary...what about (centre) third rail. Laughing
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Third rail could be a problem Carl.I was relying on the fact that I could stick my feet out of the bottom to stop in celebrated Flintstones style. Laughing
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With either live catenary or third rail, I'd be concerned about electrocution.

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Sparkeswood wrote:
I think you've missed the point Paul Laughing
We're after a bit of this that we can sit in and have races.. Very Happy

vambac

Laughing Laughing


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KleineDicke wrote:
With either live catenary or third rail, I'd be concerned about electrocution.

The motors I'm looking at are only 24 volt.The key problem is the amout of amperage they'll pull.It won't kill you but it'll give an impressive,welding ability spark if it goes wrong Very Happy
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Sparkeswood wrote:
KleineDicke wrote:
With either live catenary or third rail, I'd be concerned about electrocution.

The motors I'm looking at are only 24 volt.The key problem is the amout of amperage they'll pull.It won't kill you but it'll give an impressive,welding ability spark if it goes wrong Very Happy


So centre rail it is then. Problem - bang - flash - welds to braking rail - sorted and safe.

Seriously, must be a way to sort amperage draw or nothing electric would ever move. Talk to the one that's done it .........
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Well what you need is a electric Golf kart it will have all the mechanical components you need, my brother works for a golf supply company and boy there technology demonstrater is scary fast!! and a kart will go all day before needing a charge + steel wheels could be turned down to provide a flanged wheel?
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That why I was thinking along the lines of a mobility scooter.
Battery,motor and all of the rest of the components to rearrange and refit.I just need to find somewhere to get hold of one Neutral
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I've missed a bit today here...

But yes, I think we're all thinking the right way. Electric vehicle spares and components.

I have actually got a 24 volt scooter motor rated at a 1/4 hp. I was going to use this as a generator for another live diesel project. It only cost me £6 on e bay.

There are others at less power available.

In fact on e bay at the moment there is a guy knocking out scooters as spares or repair for
£18.

e bay scooters

These may not be powerful enough alone to build a tram on though but what about 4 of these motors one each axle?.

I'm even thinking of buying 2 scooters bolting them together parallel, add some flanges to the wheels and hey...it's a start.

Then my daughter just came up with a great idea....She has an old pedal bike...7 1/4" velorail.
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Out of the mouths of babes...

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I found this site for speed controllers...


4QD Speed Controllers
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I've been looking at track. Well rail to be precise.
Ready made track is out of the question for me.



Ride-on tramway.

Gauge 7 ¼’’

Length (on side of garden) 70 metres.

Distance from driveway entrance to side of shed 45 metres, straight and flat.
I am planning on a 50 metre run to start with which means 100 metres of rail. Sleepering and fixing of course is another issue but treated wood here can be obtained quite cheaply.


Some track options. All alluminium alloy.
Steel rail profile is silly money.


Miniature Railway Supply Co.

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100+ metres =£1.95 per metre 3m 34+ lengths £4.87/length 4m 25+ lengths £7.80/length

Although this is quite cheap I think it"s too flimsy.

Better is this I reckon which at the moment is my preferred option.

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100+ metres =£2.22 per metre 3m 34+ lengths £6.67/length 4m 25+ lengths £8.89/length

Or from another supplier

Cromar White

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5 - 14 packs of 5 x 4m per rail £12.69
100 metres rail = 317.25 (£3.17 per metre)

This is substantially more solid/rigid but at 50% more cost than the 21mm from MRS.

I also got a quote from a local supplier of mild steel bar which seems popular with some groups although fixing down is a big problem and it's the wrong profile.

20mm x 10mm works out at 2.18€ per metre
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I agree with you Carl that ready made track is expensive. One thing that is plentiful in our region is wood. Interesting costs comparisons - the 7.25" that I recently was privileged to visit in NZ used steel bar and this was simply inserted into tight slots cut into the sleeper heads - no other fixings were needed. However profile was not right (and I imagine that wheel wear would have been high) and if steel bar is actually more expensive than correctly profiled rail then there's no point in going down that road. In the case of NZ, he had acquired the "rail" secondhand at a very good price.

I guess that the cost of heavier rail will be repaid in lower number of sleepers and fixings required, plus a stronger end product - that sounds favourite.
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Peter has just posted a couple more pics on Troys old site - can't we get him on here somehow ?

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The more I see that tramcar in his garden the more I want one here! Sad
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With 800 square meter it shouldnot be a problem, here I cannot do that or just a strait line of 20 m Crying or Very sad
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