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clive_t




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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 07, 2011 10:06 am

Some more progress this weekend...

We now have our trackbed, from some more spare kitchen flooring:

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I did some work on the model jolly-boat too, to make it a bit older-looking and allow me to distress it a bit more:

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I also made a start on the internal tunnel walls - brick this time, hand-scribed again! :

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I still have the other wall to do, as well as to work out how to do the roof.

It then occurred to me that the retaining wall for the siding could be a little more decorative, so I made some insets:

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Location : The Netherlands

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 07, 2011 11:41 am

Beautiful work Clive!

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Location : Charente, France

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 07, 2011 5:56 pm

Hi Clive, this is coming on well!

I shall be in the UK (based Dunsfold) week of 11th September. Any chance of seeing this and your other wonderful creations in the flesh?

bounce

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clive_t

Location : Portsmouth, England

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 07, 2011 8:08 pm

Brian, is that the week ending, or commencing 11th? I am not sure what my situation will be work-wise at the moment, in theory I roll off my current gig at end of August but one never knows. Weekend of the 11th could be OK though.

I think I mentioned elsewhere, though, that I have run nothing on my line since last year, as my shoulder problem has successfully prevented me from doing any meaningful track clearance, repairs or even cleaning. However, you are more than welcome to stop by and see it in its dormant, indeed comatose state... actually, that will probably apply to me too!

Let me know nearer the time and we can sort something out.

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 08, 2011 9:01 am

I think this is one of those projects that could go on forever and become an institution.

With a module like this you can continue with as much detail as you like filling all the small corners without worrying about a bigger picture.

I think it's very satisfying to do and also enjoyable to watch the progress develop. Very Happy
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Location : Galizano, nr Santander, Nth Spain

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 08, 2011 9:55 am

I can't wait to see the final product,

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Location : Portsmouth, England

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptyFri Aug 12, 2011 2:24 pm

Some little details starting to take shape:

A discarded drum containing some sort of goo

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The boat, starting to look a little the worse for wear

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Another abandoned rusty old drum

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The grey-ish powder is actually iron powder, I am expecting that to do the honourable thing and go rusty in the not-to-distant future.

I still have a tyre, a bicycle (yes, Patrick, minus spokes!) and whatever else I can think of to model for canal detritus...

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptyFri Aug 12, 2011 9:34 pm

That is some serious attention to detail. The boat with the lockers, rivets and the weathered planking.... Shocked

This is the problem in this scale you can go on forever with detail.......Well, Clive can...I can't.... silent
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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptySat Aug 13, 2011 6:36 am

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The grey-ish powder is actually iron powder, I am expecting that to do the honourable thing and go rusty in the not-to-distant future.

You can speed up the rusting by applying a thin layer of a bit water diluted white-glue.

The details are great! I this is the standard for the rest of the diorama, it will become a masterpiece!

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Location : Portsmouth, England

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptySat Aug 13, 2011 6:56 am

Thanks Paul, Carl.

The drums and some other bits and pieces are now outside in the garden, getting rained on! Well, I can't take the diorama outside to work on it today, so I may as well get some sort of benefit from the weather.

The boat was just something that caught my eye in a local model shop some years back - they specialise more in model boats and planes (of the radio-control variety) but this was roughly the right scale for me. All I have done to that is add some 'planking' to the outside - one side only as it will end its days half buried in silt - and distressed it a bit. Annoyingly, it occurred to me last night that instead of using
Milliput to do that, i have a whole load of wood veneer sheets, that when cut into strips would have looked a whole lot more convincing... Sad

Having said that, I need to keep in mind the original purpose of the diorama was to show the figures in some sort of landscape. But it has kind of taken on a life all of its own as I have gone along. I know it won't divert me from making figures though.

The drums etc are resin castings from Steve Bennett at Black Dog Mining Co - an online shop which specialises in minimum gauge modelling, sometimes referred to as Gn15 (G-Scale, 15mm track gauge):

http://www.pepper7.co.uk/

He is a very clever modeller in his own right, and a nice chap to deal with too.

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clive_t

Location : Portsmouth, England

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 14, 2011 8:22 pm

Some more progress over the weekend.

I made a tunnel roof for the canal tunnel by glueing together 2 pieces of stiff card from an old envelope:

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Then today I closed over the canal tow-paths and the adjacent land area for the buildings:

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Not immediately obvious from this first shot, the tunnel face is now a panel, so that I can remove it and properly clad it with some suitable brick/stonework with relative ease. I also made it taller so as to allow for a parapet across the top of the bridge.

The same bit of work, viewed from different angles:

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Location : Portsmouth, England

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Now, in the classic Hitchcock style, one of those little 'sub-plots' that help the story along a bit...

Over the weekend, and again last night, I was trying to come up with something that resembled a little-if-ever-used siding. Here's what I ended up with:

This is what I ordered from John at Track Shack:

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Obviously I used the Peco track, and the stanchion bit of the buffer stop kits, on account of the moulding detail is very good quality. The buffers themselves though, left me cold, being of the same style of moulded plastic as the sleepers themselves. I figured I could do better:

Numerous years ago, after one particularly heavy 'bonfire night' evening (one of many as it subsequently turned out), I went out and about collecting up as many of the spent rockets as possible, that had rained down on us and dutifully squirrelled the wooden sticks away for future use. I have already used quite a few of them for bracing in this diorama structure, but this time I needed a slightly thicker one to make my own buffer. So, I cut myself a couple of chunks:

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In this picture I have already distressed one of the pieces by repeatedly scribing away at it, lengthways, with a suitably pointy instrument.

Then, once they were both done, a quick dawb with some black paint:

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Then I turned my attention to the track. I didn't fancy doing the whole length, so I deliberately cut myself a short section, roughly the length of an LGB buffer stop section, and removed the rails:

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I decided I wanted a look of sleepers that were bleached from the elements, but not that oily, so I sprayed mine with some khaki-coloured 'camouflage' paint (extra matt, apparently, whatever that means scratch ) as a base:

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I then attempted to spray the rails with grey undercoat:

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Not a hugely successful venture it seems, as with even the slightest abrasion the paint would just come off. However, I have as much etch primer as I do patience, so in the grand tradition ("Keep calm and carry on") I did exactly that. I picked out the chairs on the sleepers in my rust colour of choice (Games Workshop's 'Vermin Brown' Rolling Eyes ) - not too dark, but a good approximation to a base rust colour:

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Then, a quick all-over with a brown wash, which also brought out a bit of the sleeper 'wood' moulding detail:

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I then painted the rails in the same rust colour, and dusted on a bit of iron powder whilst it was wet. Once that had all dried, I then threaded the rails back through the chairs - losing most of the paint off the bottom of the rail as I went:

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Whilst this was going on, I also did the same with the pieces of buffer stanchion. Obviously these were spray primed first, only I forgot to take a pic of that... but hey, you've seen one grey spray-primed bit of plastic... anyway, here's the result:

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Finally (for now) here is my disused siding with dodgy buffer - it doesn't show very well, but you might notice a big dent in the middle of the buffer, where I have tried to model the thing having received a bit of a bump from a carelessly shunted wagon!

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It's not finished, but when the track gets put down I will finish it off with the rest of the scenery.






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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptyTue Aug 16, 2011 10:22 am

That's excellent detailling. Did the paint stick after all on the sleepers? It really doesn't look like Peco at all now.

I use Peco track in the garden and the sleepers are resilient to almost everything (except bird poo)...including paint.

What are you going to use for ballast?
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Location : Portsmouth, England

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Paint on the sleepers was fine. Certainly it needed a whole lot more effort to rub it off than with the rails.

Ballast... well, I am looking for some finely grained stuff - I found a jar of '00' scale ballast in a drawer when rummaging around for something else, and to be honest it really looked the part. Trouble is, I have nothing like enough of it at the moment. What I will do first though is pack the gaps between the sleepers with a padding - I have a sheet of 4mm-thick plastic boarding that will save me a lot of effort I think. For the siding, the chances are by the time I'm done you won't see too many of the sleepers anyway, they will be covered almost to the rail-tops with dirt and greenery.

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Location : Portsmouth, England

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No pressure then... I have just had an email invite to bring the diorama to the G-Scale Society Solent Group's Wickham Show, which I think is early November!

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Location : Portsmouth, England

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Some more progress yesterday - by now it will be apparent to those of you who know my contractor status, that I am 'between contracts' - again... Sad

Anyway, here we are - I did some painting of the tunnel walls, to try and get a smoky, grubby, old look. I started with a spray of dark brown matt:

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Then over that I sponged on some rust-colour, as used previously on the rails:

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A bit more sponging with some bright orange, but more at the extremities of each end:

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Then finally, a wash with some thinned white paint, to signify lime mortar:

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Whilst I was in the mood for making stuff look old and dirty, I returned to the drum of goo, and gave that another good going over:

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Whilst all that was drying, I returned to the canal tow-path sections. I have decided to make them removable completely, i.e. not glue them to the canal itself. I shaped them to slightly smaller than what they needed to be, so that when I apply a layer of milliput to them, they will then be back to the right size:

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Chapeau.... Shocked Very Happy
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Location : Ireland

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ballast

HI Clive,

A pic of some ballast, maybe too big, its aquarium gravel (1-4mm)
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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptyThu Aug 18, 2011 7:55 pm

....or maybe some granulated black Algerian cork?

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I could have a handy diorama-size bag sent over pretty quick.

It wouldn't add to the weight and you could granulate it as small as you like in the blender.

.....BTW, neat looking diesel tantalising in the pic....a bit more please?
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Location : Ireland

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Drewery Diesel by Accucraft, repainted in Irish railway colours.

Original never existed, but I thought it looked good!
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Location : Portsmouth, England

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PostSubject: Re: An indoor diorama in G-scale   An indoor diorama in G-scale - Page 2 EmptySat Aug 20, 2011 12:21 am

Thanks for the pics, and for the offer Carl, most kind... but I think I shall pursue the '00' scale ballast in the first instance. I shall attempt at some stage to do a test with the small amount I have, to see if it's worth going with that.

Any-hoo, yesterday and today I have mostly been experimenting with producing some sort of peeling paint effect. I want the boat to be sort of painted white, but with the paint peeling revealing the wood etc underneath.

However, being (a) very cautious and (b) likely to louse it up the first time I try it, I thought I would have a go at something more expendible - to wit, one smaller can (another resin casting courtesy of Steve Bennett at Black Dog):

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Being a bit of a cheeky monkey, I had already drilled out the top to make it look like the screw-lid has long-since disappeared, before painting it with my base rust colour.

So, how to get a peeling paint effect? Well, I've said it before and I'll say it again... thank God for the internet! I found a few military modelling web-sites where they referred to 'salt weathering' of things like tanks and such like. The technique as they describe it, is:

1. Paint the object with as much rust effect colour as you wish.

2. Wet the areas that you want to show up as rusty at the end, and apply rock salt in various lumps, and allow to dry.

3. Paint the model with the desired 'end' colour, including the lumps of salt, and allow to dry.

4. Gently wash the model under slow-running water, to remove the salt

The end result should be patchy rust with the impression of peeling paint!

Well, that's all well and good, but how did I fare?

I decided I would try something a little different, and spray may test piece with clear sealant first, in lieu of water. I then quickly applied some rock salt from a salt cellar, the kind that you twist to get the salt out. It didn't seem to take very well, so in a rush of blood to the head I also applied some ground black pepper!

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I left it to dry overnight, and then this morning I sprayed the result with some yellow(ish) acrylic left over from some experiment long ago:

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A few hours later, I washed off the lumps, and was left with this:

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To be honest I think it could have turned out better, although for a first attempt not bad really. Next time I will stick to water and salt lumps, and I may use enamel paint instead, as I believe it will give rise to more of a 'skin' than acrylic in this case. I am sufficiently encouraged to have another go though. Watch this space!




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Location : Dordogne France

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It's interesting doing dioramas as you can try methods and materials that wont work on a garden railway because of the natural outdoor weathering. Nice to see what works and what doesnt Clive!
A method i use for peeling paint effect is to paint your object with a base coat and let it dry then paint another colour over the top and as it is drying put a strip of sellotape on and pull it off. some paint will come off, some wont. If you try too early and the paint is still too wet, it doesnt matter just paint it again. Its not an original method but was an article in a french railway magazine some time ago.

Cant wait to see this project come together.

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I've seen the sellotape method used elsewhere on other forums, for making peeling paint on wooden planking. It seems to be one of those methods that is a bit 'hit and miss' as to the results; i have tried it before, with not very much success. But, i guess if i can get a piece of scrap plastic or something to practice on, then maybe that would be worth a go again.

Still, as you say Mikey, the opportunities to try things with an indoor layout are many and varied! Cool

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Clive, there is an interesting method on making chipped paint on this thread: How to build aircraft diorama's by John Reid.
Actually, that whole thread has lots of interesting tips and tricks, but it's massive 567 pages... Exclamation (good reading for the rainy days. EDIT: I just noticed most of the pictures in the earlier posts are gone. You can see pictures of his work in his sub albums on Photobucket. )

John has extraordinary building skills, mostly on aircraft diorama's (for aircraft museums) but also he is working on a nice G scale diorama, based on a railway scene from the movie Once Upon a Time in the West: Railroad Dirorama's in G scale (less massive, just 14 pages and he gets a lot of unnecessary critics on how to post pictures...)

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Thanks for the links Paul. I've seen the thread on MLS before when searching for a suitable method for peeling paint - it amazes me sometimes the 'discussions' that blow up over the most unimportant things...

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I think it looks spot on (or...spot off Laughing ) to me. Maybe less viscous paint would give a different result.

I have my own way of getting paint to peel off most things. Shocked




I just paint normally..... silent Crying or Very sad
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