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Carl Hibbs
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dufrok wrote:

Recently got my hands on a Sirio 09 engine, If I connected it to a DC motor, would it be

possible to start the engine from the motor and then switch over to generator?

YES...indeed...but.....

Have a look at various threads in the live diesel section.

BTW what is/size a Sirio 09? Is that .09 cubic inches?
I have not heard of this make.

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PostSubject: Re: Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz    Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz  - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 08, 2011 9:17 am

A little more progress over the last few days.

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A half painted body and some chassis work. It will be nice to have some 'free space' at each end of the loco not filled with wires and engine parts. The whole engine module should fit in the well.
The colour will be PLM/PO/CP blue and grey using airbrushed acrylic solvent paints from Interfer which I get from Train Modelisme.

A have started making some very simple representative bogie side frames. There is little point to me in spending weeks trying to make perfect replica bogies when most of the detail will be hidden under the body.

A feature of many French metre gauge motive power seems to be the huge inverted leaf springs connecting the axles, Brissonneau and Billard especially used these.

So it's springtime.

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Simple cart leaf springs made from strips of glued plasticard.
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mikeyh

mikeyh

Location : Dordogne France

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PostSubject: Re: Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz    Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz  - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 08, 2011 12:25 pm

Dont take this the wrong way Carl; but that looks like a professionally made model , and just like what it purports to be!! Great work

mikey
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Location : Portsmouth, England

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PostSubject: Re: Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz    Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz  - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 08, 2011 12:41 pm

Superb!

Looks great already, even wearing 'photographic grey' Cool

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antonr91

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Location : south-east England

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PostSubject: Re: Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz    Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz  - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 08, 2011 4:00 pm

Carl, this machine is really looking very impressive and very often, your work gives me new ideas and improvements that i can make to my locos.

Where and when is the rail expo?

Ive decided to go back to shunt at the moment as the warship is causing serous problems that i have not got time for at the moment as im firmly accepted onto my uni course and will be leaving in about a 5 weeks. So the very basic body is forming very slowly, although it looks nothing when compared to others on here, again, my patience level is very low, and i like to get things done as quick as possible Embarassed ...and it shows through my work unfortunately, but im hoping it will grow on me Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz    Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz  - Page 2 EmptyMon Aug 08, 2011 5:34 pm

1. Good luck with your university course. Where is it and will you be keeping in touch and doing any modelling for the duration?

2. Railexpo is on 25/26/27 November at Villebon which is about 20kms south west of Paris. Fairly easy to get to by train.

3. Patience is not very easy when you are young. As I get (even) older I still want models to be finished quickly but I realise there is a timeline and sequence to these projects. If you plan the work so that you can multi-task it will help. For instance start the body and the chassis as two items. Whilst you are waiting for the paint or glue to dry on one you can work on the other.
Have small modules to do to fill in time, like buffers and couplings to construct.

Everyone begins from somewhere and learns and you have already achieved some interesting work.
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Am thinking of heading to Railexpo this year, have found a flight from Ireland to Paris for

48 euro (return!!) Any suggestions on Hotels in Villebon? There seems to be just one, with

mixed reviews. I'm not that fussy, but would like a pleasant stay.
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dufrok wrote:
have found a flight from Ireland to Paris for 48 euro (return!!)

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tongue That's excellent.

Most people stay at the Campanile which is good or the cheaper Premiere Classe which is just across the road from the other.

These hotels are not in the town of Villebon but in Villejust/Courtabeouf the other side of the A10 motorway. The Grand Dôme, although noted as Villebon sur Yvette is actually nearer to Villejust.
The hotels are about 1km from the venue.


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Location : Ireland

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Thanks Carl,

Will look into those! Very Happy
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antonr91

Location : south-east England

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The course is at the Buckinghamshire New university, and thank you very much. The course i am going to be studying is: Aviation with commercial pilot training.

Yes, the uni is a 25 minute drive from my house, and although i will be staying there, i will pop home often and will continue making throughout. (time permitting)

Carl, i would love to know how you manage to cut such perfectly shaped grills in the side of your machines, as i wish to do this with the warship but im afraid ill mess it all up.

I am deeply considering coming to this expo, as i would love to see all these diesels in one place at one time, and hopefully i would be bringing two or even a third machine with me, if i manage to complete them.
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PostSubject: Re: Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz    Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz  - Page 2 EmptySat Aug 13, 2011 11:11 am

Obvious question really...Do you intend to be a commercial pilot when you finish perhaps with one of the major airlines or something more specialised?

The grills (apertures) are cheated really. I cut the basic rectangle shape out of the wood (scoring with a knife and razor saw) and then use a 40 thou plasticard overlay.

It is much easier cut this out and shape accurately than the wood and looks better too.

The aperture of the plasticard is 2mm smaller all round than the hole for the wood and overlaps the hole by 2mm also.

The grills themselves were cut from a large piece of 3mm steel mesh I found ages ago. I need quite large ventilation holes because the engine will sit directly behind.

A good source of (smaller) mesh is cooker hood filter panels which are often alloy.
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Location : south-east England

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Yes indeed, that is what i am going to be aiming for, although larger companies such as British Airways and Emirates, rarely take on pilots who have just graduated from the course. Moreover, going to a company that specialises in long haul flights is not the best way to get hours up in flying as the main element that will need improvement once the course has been completed, is take off's and landings, and on a longhaul this may only happen once every 8-12 hours where shorthaul is could happen every hour or so. So i will be aiming for a company such as Ryanair and working my way up.

The flight school i will be learning with that is in partnership with the university is called Cabire, and they have links with Ryanair, Flybem, BMI as well as a few others. They say most graduates are first officers with an airline within 1 month of completing the course.

My dream is to create my own flying school and have a small airfield where i can teach people to fly. This will also benefit me as i will be able to acquire various aircraft and have somewhere to keep them...and fly to and from..well thats the dream anyway...

And thanks for the info, do you have any pictures of how you actually went about making the 'apertures'? As even if i only have one working diesel by the time the expo comes around, im sure any others would make a good static display Very Happy
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KleineDicke

KleineDicke

Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

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antonr91 wrote:
I am deeply considering coming to this expo, as i would love to see all these diesels in one place at one time, and hopefully i would be bringing two or even a third machine with me, if i manage to complete them.
Anton:
Not knowing what your exact plans are, I thought I'd mention one possible issue with flying to the Expo . You cannot bring any fuel with you; I'm certain the security folks would frown on that Crying or Very sad . That would also likely apply to any residual fuel left in fuel tanks etc. The sniffers/scanners are certain to detect it. affraid

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Carl Hibbs
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PostSubject: Re: Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz    Locotracteur Brissoneau et Lotz  - Page 2 EmptySun Aug 14, 2011 2:56 pm

Here is the prohibitive list for British Airways. I would imagine other airlines are similar.

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/bagrest/public/en_gb

But...good old Eurostar should allow you to bring a model or two.

http://www.eurostar.com/UK/uk/leisure/travel_information/before_you_go/prohibited_items.jsp

Although it does say flammable substances in minimal quantities.

I can't remember travelling by plane with any models but certainly on Eurostar although not the green nitro monster just live steam on several occassions which is the same risk I would have thought. No gas cannisters and I had to show the gas tank was empty. Maybe prudent to confirm if you are using that means.

Allow plenty of time at baggage security.....Not only for inspection but for discussion. There's always someone interested who wants to talk about it. Smile

Even the CRS at the gare du nord came to have a look once..."Un train sur le train...et alors". Laughing

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Back to the model and a fair bit of progress since.

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Painted in the blue and grey of the Chemin de Fer de Provence.

There is no engine in it yet but the powerplant will go in over the next few weeks hopefully. It will trundle round as is on battery power if required.

There are still a few body bits to finish like bogie side frames, cab side steps, and I have yet to fit the LEDs in the lamp holders, plus I will fabricate some cab interior later on.

The entire body quickly lifts off the chassis and the cupola lifts off the body.


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mikeyh

mikeyh

Location : Dordogne France

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Carl, that really looks superb! You say that ity will work on purely battery power if neccessary?

mikey
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Carl Hibbs
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It wasn't intended but as I have the space inside I'll use the small battery pack with a changeover switch.
It only needs 3 AA cells, 3.6 volts.

Obviously the aim is use real diesel power.... But it's almost empty inside at the moment

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GWhizz

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Location : Charente, France

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It almost seems a shame to put a noisy, oily engine in such a beautiful model!

But we know where Carl's passion is headed these days. Whatever happened to live steam?

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dufrok



Location : Ireland

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Looks great Carl,

Very impressed!!!

Liam.
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Location : The Netherlands

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Thats a beautiful piece of work Carl!!
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What did you use for those headlight?

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The headlights are LED reflectors that you can from places like Conrad


GWhizz wrote:
Whatever happened to live steam?


It's still alive..... Smile...... and maybe we'll try and build a Corpet Louvet next.
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Having completed the body and chassis last month there is now a sense of urgency to get the mechanics fitted....and running by October 15.

A long day's work and most of it is in situ and bolted down.

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A lot of connecting up to do and I'm waiting for some 3 phase rectifiers to arrive.

This is basically the same arrangement as in the prevous LDP2 project. All the testing was done there so it all should work here. The main difference being the engine. This is a Thunder Tiger .12 a much meatier looking engine (although the same cc) and it seems better quality than the Kyosho.
I'm using a modified aero engine exhaust with a simple coarse foam insert.
Gearing is 14 on the clutch and 15 on the BLDC motor.
The DPDT toggle switch (and adjacent fuse...) is to disconnect the power to the bogies and allow the engine to be run up and tested. It also gives me the option of connecting a small battery pack to the other side so that I can run the loco without the nitro engine.

...............................................................................................................................................
On another post (Troy's diesel I think) it was discussed about a simple electrical reverser.

This is what I have already done on LDP2 and again with this machine.
This allows the whole operation to be controlled with one RC channel.

A commutator made from pcb divided electrically down the centre.
The red and black wires connected to it come from the rectifier + and -.
The yellow wires go to the traction motor(s) and are soldered to adjustable brass screws acting as wiper contacts.

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With the throttle arm in the middle of the servo throw the engine throttle will be at idle.
Which ever way you move the servo it will open the throttle. If the arm rotates clockwise or anticlockwise it will still pull the throttle link.

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Throttle open, wiper contacts +/-

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Throttle open, wiper contacts -/+.

I have tried alternatives but this is the simplest and most reliable that I can come up with allowing single channel operation.

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Ahh,the reversing thing makes perfect sense now Cool
I use the toggle with the whole throw as the throttle.
You should se what I've come up with to get over the problem Very Happy
It's pure Wallace and Grommit silent

This latest one of yours is looking very clean and sleek.
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Sparkeswood wrote:

You should se what I've come up with to get over the problem Very Happy
It's pure Wallace and Grommit silent

Their machines were brilliant. The 'Knitomatic' was one of my favourites.

Quote :


This latest one of yours is looking very clean and sleek.

Only by virtue of substantial aluminium offcuts purloined from the chaps who fitted a covered terrace recently. Laughing
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All connected up and ready to go....

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Run in on 2 tanks of fuel. Engine was very tight and not easy to start at first. Still a few minor points to resolve.

Of course with 2 traction motors to power it needs more rpm and thus more noise and fuel.

I may well disconnect the clutch spring which means the clutch engages almost instantly after starting and less slip.

I will probably change the exhaust for a wooden box as done before. The metal resonates too much.

All in all it works well and that is 3 running locomotives (including Troy's) now built on same principal.
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