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PostSubject: Re: Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion    Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion  - Page 2 EmptySat Oct 30, 2010 5:33 pm

I love the brake cab and neat electrics!
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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion    Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion  - Page 2 EmptySat Oct 30, 2010 7:01 pm

Thanks guys!

Carl, good observation about the lever! I was already suspecting comments about it Wink
Actually it is in it's right position now but in "real" there would be an opening in the side so the lever can be operated from the inside of the cab (and that way the lever can be spin around what would be impossible now because it would be blocked by the side). Those openings were covered with some sort of half round cover like the one showed on the picture below.

I did not made the opening because it would not be visible (and I was afraid it would weaken the construction) but I still have to place a cover over it. I have to figure out a way to make it removable in order to be able to remove the lever to remove the cab to remove the battery (actually, that is a lot of removing...)

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Original picture on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brakeman's_cabin

Paul
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Carl Hibbs
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Carl Hibbs


Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion    Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion  - Page 2 EmptySun Oct 31, 2010 7:21 am

Paul, I never knew they were like that, external but with a coverand acesss inside.
The only ones I have ever seen were either operated outside or fully inside. But it's not something I've made a real study of.

You learn somthing all the time. study

So no need to move your brake handle at all then.

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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion    Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion  - Page 2 EmptyTue Nov 02, 2010 8:57 pm

Some smaller detailing. The tank opening is made out of a small nut, a piece of small chain and a small plastic cap.

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With a bit of paint it looks convincing enough for me.

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Roofside from styrene.

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The railing on the other side made out of the cutted railing of the car. The soft LGB plastic was amazingly easy to glue with the cheapest sort of superglue (2 tubes for 99 cent). Also some detailing on the lantern, grip made out of a piece of paperclip.
The cover for the lever is made out of the plastic base of a roll of tape. The top is a piece of styrene. It has some rivets on top (made in the white glue style) but they are hardly noticeable. I have to do them over. Also it only has a base color and needs finishing.

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On to the platform and ladders...

Paul
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Carl Hibbs
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Carl Hibbs


Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion    Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion  - Page 2 EmptyWed Nov 03, 2010 9:42 pm

Amazing detail with that drain cap.

The brake lever cover makes sense now.

First class model.
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KleineDicke

KleineDicke


Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion    Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion  - Page 2 EmptyThu Nov 04, 2010 1:51 am

The drain looks like a standard tank car connect fitting (I work in a chemical plant, so I'm familiar with these). It looks great, especially with the cap and chain.

Did you move the tank towards the end of the car to make room for the cabin?
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Carl Hibbs
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Carl Hibbs


Location : Haute Normandie - visitors welcome

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion    Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion  - Page 2 EmptyThu Nov 04, 2010 6:52 pm

Paul if you are going to leave this vunerable precious wagon standing in a siding may I suggest a bucket hanging from the drain cap suitably half filled with finest model vin ordinaire.... drunken

There are always customers!

"Quelqu'un a dit vin ?"

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figures by Clive
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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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LOL! Those are great looking "clochards" Carl! drunken

Bill, the tank is in it's original position. If you look at the first picture in this topic you can see the tank is placed this way factory wise.
Actually, now I'm looking at it I notice I've turned the tank 180 degrees; you can see it on the hinges of the lid on top of the tank.

I'm in doubt. I planned to make 2 ladders on each site and a platform on top across the tank. But I'm leaning to the idea to make just one ladder next to the cabin and a platform alongside the tank. Something like this...
...mmmmm... decisions, decisions....scratch

Paul
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KleineDicke

KleineDicke


Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

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Paul:
I asked about the tank position because I have a similar Lehmann tank wagon and the tank is much closer to the handrailing/platform. I don't think there is room for any sort of cabin. In fact, you'd have to be a very skinny brakeman to fit on the platform.

I like the ladder/walkway idea from the photo.
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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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Bill, it is possible to replace the tank easy. There are 4 slots in the bottom (see picture). The tank only uses 2 (the most left or the most right, just how you look at it...). I think in your case you can unscrew the tank and use the other slots; you can win about an inch by this. You first have to unscrew the bottom from the chassis, than you can get to the screws that keep the tank in place.

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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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PostSubject: Re: Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion    Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion  - Page 2 EmptySat Nov 13, 2010 3:30 pm

Pouring rain outside, so it's building time!
Started with the platform, I think the pictures tell enough:

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It's still a dry fit, so the platform is hanging slope a bit. Suspect
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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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Fixed and painted:

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The grate floorplates are made out of mosquito maze (the grey kind you can buy in DIY stores).

A bit of a blurry picture, but it gives a nice impression of the lantern. The phot was taken during a test to see if the car did not get stuck in the tunnel (luckily it did not!!!).

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Paul
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KleineDicke

KleineDicke


Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

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Outstanding piece of work, Paulus. The walkway and handrail really finished it off nicely.
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Spule 4




Location : Tennessee, USA

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VERY nice Paul!
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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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Thanks all!
Just a few doorhandles and a little hatch for the small window, some paint ups and I call it done. All I need are some moments of un-interrupted free-time... silent
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KleineDicke

KleineDicke


Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

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Paulus wrote:
Thanks all!
All I need are some moments of un-interrupted free-time... silent
Let me know how one manages to do that.
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pjti




Location : Galizano, nr Santander, Nth Spain

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That mesh is a brill idea - you're flying along now
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KleineDicke

KleineDicke


Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

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Paul:
Here's a mate for your tanker. A Remy-Martin Tanker. A bit pricey, though, and it seems it's in the wrong box.
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KleineDicke wrote:
Paul:
Here's a mate for your tanker. A Remy-Martin Tanker. A bit pricey, though, and it seems it's in the wrong box.

Shocked drunken pirat I presume it comes with a tank full of the aforesaid liquid at that price......
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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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NICE! Never seen that one before.
But... champaign in a tanker? It must be handled very carefully otherwise the top hatch pops off!! Fontains of champaign!!! cheers
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Mike B




Location : Just outside Marbella, Spain

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Actually its Cognac so explosions drunken

But it does go to prove my theory that all it is good for is stripping paint Razz After all, no self respecting vintage or decent anything would be seen in anything other than a carefully laid down bottle. If its moved by the tanker load then its a domestic cleaning product. Wink
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tram47

tram47


Location : Aquitaine (France)

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Paulus wrote:
NICE! Never seen that one before.
But... champaign in a tanker? It must be handled very carefully otherwise the top hatch pops off!! Fontains of champaign!!! cheers
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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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Mike B wrote:
Actually its Cognac so explosions drunken

But it does go to prove my theory that all it is good for is stripping paint Razz After all, no self respecting vintage or decent anything would be seen in anything other than a carefully laid down bottle. If its moved by the tanker load then its a domestic cleaning product. Wink

Auwks! Cognac instead of champaign, huh....
You see how far my knowledge of poisons go...! Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

Don't know about cognac or liqueurs, but wine is still transported in a less elegant way today as one wants to believe it is... SNCF modern wine tanker...
But it's probably the supermarket brand Wink

Pernod did it in the past in a more elegant way, a "wagon reservoir", looks like a "camouflaged" tan car: Pernod wagon

And what about this beuatifull Dujardin tankcar (that one is tempting to model!).

I once read a very interesting topic on transporting wines by rail... Have to run through my favourits to find it...
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Paulus

Paulus


Location : The Netherlands

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Foud it! Some interesting stuff on wine transport: Forum LR Presse - Transport de Vin

Many interesting and inspirational pictures, also a lot of beautiful and atmospheric pics about the Bercy "entrepĂ´ts" in Paris.

These Byrrh tankcars and -trucks look nice also: BYRRH
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KleineDicke

KleineDicke


Location : Deep in the Heart of Texas (Houston)

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We ship some of the products (non-toxic chemical) from the plant where I work in large rubber bladder bags (called Flexi-Tanks), stuffed inside a standard shipping container. The shipping company told me these bags are also used in France to ship wine. I didn't ask what brand. affraid
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Carl Hibbs
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Great photos on that LR Presse link.

Those wine tankers going through the street....imagine those going past your house.
I would just have one of those wagon turntables fitted right outside my gate. Cool drunken
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