Wagon citerne "Margnat" / LGB tankcar conversion

Great photos on that LR Presse link.

Those wine tankers going through the street....imagine those going past your house.
I would just have one of those wagon turntables fitted right outside my gate.

Chaps, your point being????

As I said, if it goes by the tanker load, its a domestic cleaning product.

Its certainly not fine wine or fine anything else...

Mike

If you look at the wine consuption 60 or even only 30 year ago, there's a lot of difference now, it's like the country gone sober.

I think that wine consumption in general has gone more 'upmarket'.
Also I remember the days here when wine came in crates with simple screw or clamp top bottles like beer. The deposit on the bottle was more than the cost of the wine.

In Corsica for example that was the wine industry 25-30 years ago. They even used to deliver it by donkey or mule with panniers and a little old man with a stick singing as he went along. Now it's gone like the internet with fancy and expensive domaine names.

Plus we have 'bag in the box' (forbidden now in this household due to its 'accessibility') which has replaced much of the 'vine de table' daily bottled consumption.

I personally don't mind a bit of 'domestic cleaning product rouge' as long as it is given plenty of air.

In fact 50 years ago the average per person was 120 l now it's arround 40 l per year.
The quality improved really a lot, we are producing a lot for the export now and bad quality wine is nearly off the market

But France is not anymore at the first place for wine consuption, now the US are first with the italian behind, we are at the 3rd place, but not for long other conuntry are rising fast, like china well.

The big question of course is were the wine tank wagons lined with glass or similar material.
Or was the wine just sloshed about in steel tanks.

I think wine and (mild) steel would make a bit of a chemical reaction.

Carl Hibbs wrote:

I think wine and (mild) steel would make a bit of a chemical reaction.

It might have improved the flavour though!

Mike

Mike B wrote:

Carl Hibbs wrote:

I think wine and (mild) steel would make a bit of a chemical reaction.

It might have improved the flavour though!

Mike

A little off subject (why not- this thread has veered all over the place already), but there was a time when it was believed transporting tea in steel hulled ships tainted its flavor. For this reason, wooden sailing ships (Tea Clippers) were employed well into the age of steam.

Well that is of course why wine (back on subject.... ) was and still is stored and.... transported in wooden (often oak) barrels, fûts de chêne.
France is a country where barrel making (tonnellerie) continues to be an art.

Tonnellerie JP

Of course there are plenty of barrel wagon models in G scale:



I had a number of these vehicles in actual service as 'stealth trains' to move wine about the network in order to avoid the 'domestic intake surveillance authority'.

There is this rather nice kit too of a barrel wagon/



Wassertanklore

I think the right name fore those kind of tankcars is: "wagon foudre"
And there are some very interesting ones indeed!
Perhaps a nice scratchbuild project... Mmmm.....

There are some very nice pictures of of these barrel cars (and wine tankers!) on: ParisEnImages, like these:

Approvisionnement en vins aux entrepôts de Bercy, en prévision de la guerre. Paris, juillet 1914
(or is it a home delivery at the Hibbs residence?)





Paris. Wagons-foudres de la Halle aux vins aux entrepôts de Bercy 1926:






And I like this (model)scene!:

(found it on Cercle du Zero)

Paul

Paulus wrote:

I think the right name fore those kind of tankcars is: "wagon foudre"

Approvisionnement en vins aux entrepôts de Bercy, en prévision de la guerre. Paris, juillet 1914
(or is it a home delivery at the Hibbs residence?)


Paul

At last my own private siding. I wish....
Although if there was such a track going down this road it would have to go past the Mayor's house...
He'd have all the Grand Cru and I'd just be left with the Vin Ordinaire.

Great pics from Paris and that last one of the model and the HY made me laugh....'Hedgehog Cooperative'.

FINALY FINISHED!!!!

Doorhandles and little viewing opening hatch in place. I think I call it done!
Or.... does the big hatch on top of the tank need some sort of wheel to open and close it? Or should I leave it like this?

I made the shunter figure out of Fimo clay last year but I added a flag and did some minor repainting. It looks nice although it is a bit bigger than most figures (more 1:20 scale). Ah well, it's just a big lad!
Flag is made out of a toothpick and a piece of sodacan.
















Paul

Superb piece of work there Paul. I like the figure too

EXcellent, the figure looks a bit intimidating though. Not sure I'd want him delivering wine here!

Carl Hibbs wrote:

EXcellent, the figure looks a bit intimidating though. Not sure I'd want him delivering wine here!

He looks a bit surly, maybe he has had a nip or two en route?

Thanks guys!

Yep, the figure is on alert, making sure this clochard is not getting too near...
And off course he's getting a nip now and then (more now than then)! That's a secondary working condition

Quote :

We ship some of the products (non-toxic chemical) from the plant where I work in large rubber bladder bags (called Flexi-Tanks), stuffed inside a standard shipping container. The shipping company told me these bags are also used in France to ship wine. I didn't ask what brand.

Bill, I find some information this is done by a wine company called Corta Hojas (Chili?): http://www.cortahojas.com/eng/granel.html#


"One container can carry 10,000 liters of bottled wine, compared with 24,000 liters in a Flexitank. More than twice the capacity that naturally produces considerable savings in transportation costs. Also CO2 emissions are estimated to be reduced by up to 50%.
The Flexitank transforms a 20-foot ISO container into a single transport system for bulk wine ... we like to use the mark Flexitanks TOD, which incorporates the latest technology in materials to create a barrier that minimizes the possibility of the deterioration of the product."

NOW THAT'S WINE IN A BOX!!!

Hey, what happened to all the pics on construction in this thread? I went to look back at how it all started, and a lot of the images are gone!

They are still there I think Clive...I've just had a look...What do you see instead of pictures?

...or maybe it's mad cow disease.

BTW I'm going to split this thread into two as it really has become 2 subjects now.

Pictures are still here as far as I can see...
Could it be that the site that host the images was down perhaps? (hey it's a free service!)

But all pictures are visible at: http://public.fotki.com/SmallGardenRailway/citerne-margnat/

Paul

I have split the posts about about milk transport and created another topic here.

Milk transport

I think the problem lies with the small Linux-based Asus laptop i use occasionally when I am downstairs - it still uses an old version of Firefox as a browser. I can see the pictures ok on the actual photo hosting site link, though - also, all my Photobucket pics show up ok in my posts on here. Weird...